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	<title>Comments on: Autoworkers: &#8220;I&#8217;m Sticking to the Union&#8230; Till the Day I Die&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Chrysler&#8217;s New Majority Owner Will Be The UAW. Yeah, That&#8217;ll Work. :All That Is Necessary&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrysler&#8217;s New Majority Owner Will Be The UAW. Yeah, That&#8217;ll Work. :All That Is Necessary&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kirk Petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen, thank you for the kind words.  Your &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://jenuinejen.com/2008/04/29/twitter-for-dummies/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;primer on Twitter&lt;/a&gt; is terrific, I&#039;m happy to link to it.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Dan, I should clarify that I&#039;m not anti-union in any doctrinaire sense -- I think historically, unions played an important role in moderating some of the excesses of unfettered capitalism, such as genuinely unsafe conditions, child labor, seven-day work weeks, etc.  Even today, I see a valid role for collective bargaining, at least in theory, with regard to wage levels and other fundamental issues.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But the deliberate structuring of work rules intended to make companies less efficient (so they need to pay more to labor) has to stop, as does the practice of paying people to &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; work (job banks, lifetime jobs, etc.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And as our friend Iain Murray &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTYxZDI5MmVlMTg5N2IxMGRhYTEyNmE5MjJlMTdjN2Y=&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;points out in The Corner&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Meanwhile, the best way to save the auto industry remains a deregulatory bailout, reducing government-imposed burdens on the industry, and in particular Congress backing off on its destructive CAFE requirements.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen, thank you for the kind words.  Your <a HREF="http://jenuinejen.com/2008/04/29/twitter-for-dummies/" REL="nofollow">primer on Twitter</a> is terrific, I&#8217;m happy to link to it.  </p>
<p>Dan, I should clarify that I&#8217;m not anti-union in any doctrinaire sense &#8212; I think historically, unions played an important role in moderating some of the excesses of unfettered capitalism, such as genuinely unsafe conditions, child labor, seven-day work weeks, etc.  Even today, I see a valid role for collective bargaining, at least in theory, with regard to wage levels and other fundamental issues.  </p>
<p>But the deliberate structuring of work rules intended to make companies less efficient (so they need to pay more to labor) has to stop, as does the practice of paying people to <b><i>not</i></b> work (job banks, lifetime jobs, etc.)</p>
<p>And as our friend Iain Murray <a HREF="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTYxZDI5MmVlMTg5N2IxMGRhYTEyNmE5MjJlMTdjN2Y=" REL="nofollow">points out in The Corner</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;Meanwhile, the best way to save the auto industry remains a deregulatory bailout, reducing government-imposed burdens on the industry, and in particular Congress backing off on its destructive CAFE requirements.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Mosqueda</title>
		<link>http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2008/12/autoworkers-im-sticking-to-the-union-till-the-day-i-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Mosqueda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great posting.  I&#039;m always a little concerned about union bashing because I grew up in a union family, but using Kaus&#039; writing to explain the &quot;sediment&quot; and tying it careerist union leaders moves the discourse from &quot;I can smell something bad here,&quot; to a fact-based intellectually understanding of the issue.  Clearly the American worker can produce great products, they do it daily, just look at BMW and Mercedes where the quality matches their German counterparts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This elevates the argument and makes me wonder if the rank-and-file union members would understand the dilemma they are now facing with this type of education.  As a friend of mine always says &quot;you can have part of something or all of nothing.&quot;  Words to ponder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great posting.  I&#8217;m always a little concerned about union bashing because I grew up in a union family, but using Kaus&#8217; writing to explain the &#8220;sediment&#8221; and tying it careerist union leaders moves the discourse from &#8220;I can smell something bad here,&#8221; to a fact-based intellectually understanding of the issue.  Clearly the American worker can produce great products, they do it daily, just look at BMW and Mercedes where the quality matches their German counterparts.</p>
<p>This elevates the argument and makes me wonder if the rank-and-file union members would understand the dilemma they are now facing with this type of education.  As a friend of mine always says &#8220;you can have part of something or all of nothing.&#8221;  Words to ponder.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen @ JenuineJen</title>
		<link>http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2008/12/autoworkers-im-sticking-to-the-union-till-the-day-i-die.html/comment-page-1#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen @ JenuineJen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good post.  Thanks for the link to my blog.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You are right, whether anything comes of this or not it is fascinating.  At the very least, conservatives (and tweeple in general) better understand Ford&#039;s position because of the open communication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good post.  Thanks for the link to my blog.</p>
<p>You are right, whether anything comes of this or not it is fascinating.  At the very least, conservatives (and tweeple in general) better understand Ford&#8217;s position because of the open communication.</p>
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