Comments on: God Knows: An IED in Iraq Shows Who, How, and Why We Fight http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/07/god-knows-an-ied-in-iraq-shows-how-and-why-we-fight.html ... for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:52:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: marie http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/07/god-knows-an-ied-in-iraq-shows-how-and-why-we-fight.html/comment-page-1#comment-1006 marie Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:37:53 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1019#comment-1006 you are right I did mix it up, but I still say the bad apples should have been weeded out instead. I mean our military they didn't have these prisons going for the fun of it, right? Why do we let the bad apples spoli the whole apple cart, you know.. it just doesn't make sense to me. you are right I did mix it up, but I still say the bad apples should have been weeded out instead. I mean our military they didn't have these prisons going for the fun of it, right? Why do we let the bad apples spoli the whole apple cart, you know.. it just doesn't make sense to me.

]]> By: kirkpete http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/07/god-knows-an-ied-in-iraq-shows-how-and-why-we-fight.html/comment-page-1#comment-1002 kirkpete Sat, 01 Aug 2009 10:19:40 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1019#comment-1002 I think you're mixing up Abu Ghraib and Gitmo. Guantanamo is where the stories have been about detainees gaining weight on the halal meals, etc. The Abu Ghraib photos were a disgrace regardless of whatever those detainees had "done". I think you're mixing up Abu Ghraib and Gitmo. Guantanamo is where the stories have been about detainees gaining weight on the halal meals, etc.

The Abu Ghraib photos were a disgrace regardless of whatever those detainees had "done".

]]> By: marie http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/07/god-knows-an-ied-in-iraq-shows-how-and-why-we-fight.html/comment-page-1#comment-999 marie Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:31:20 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1019#comment-999 Yeah I don't know Kirk, I mean first I have to ask myself "who and why" are these people in Abu Ghraib? I mean, how many are really innocent, if any. Not 'knowing' that much (maybe I am using my gut instinct here?) I also have to ask what were these 'abuses'.. I've heard they get pretty good treatment in there, all things considered. Don't forget that in almost any place we can find some rotten apples, but did the few rotten apples that "tortured?" a few inmates really represent that the whole thing should be shut down after 'all things are considered?'-- I'm just not so sure and my gut tells me different. And like you said how the loosening of standards led to some people abusing, I think they should weed out the bad apples instead. Yeah Dave Gaubatz's story was fascinating to me, being that it would not surprise me at all if thats(his story) is what actually happened, lol. He was doing a project here in america called "Mapping Shariah"..very intersting stuff, for me anyways. ;o) Yeah I don't know Kirk, I mean first I have to ask myself "who and why" are these people in Abu Ghraib? I mean, how many are really innocent, if any. Not 'knowing' that much (maybe I am using my gut instinct here?) I also have to ask what were these 'abuses'.. I've heard they get pretty good treatment in there, all things considered. Don't forget that in almost any place we can find some rotten apples, but did the few rotten apples that "tortured?" a few inmates really represent that the whole thing should be shut down after 'all things are considered?'– I'm just not so sure and my gut tells me different. And like you said how the loosening of standards led to some people abusing, I think they should weed out the bad apples instead.

Yeah Dave Gaubatz's story was fascinating to me, being that it would not surprise me at all if thats(his story) is what actually happened, lol. He was doing a project here in america called "Mapping Shariah"..very intersting stuff, for me anyways. ;o)

]]> By: kirkpete http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/07/god-knows-an-ied-in-iraq-shows-how-and-why-we-fight.html/comment-page-1#comment-998 kirkpete Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:35:51 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1019#comment-998 meg, thanks for stopping by. Harrison: In his book "No god but God" -- which you can conveniently purchase through the Amazon widget in the right column! -- Reza Aslan writes among other things about the need for an Islamic Reformation. From his lips to God's ears... meg, thanks for stopping by.

Harrison: In his book "No god but God" — which you can conveniently purchase through the Amazon widget in the right column! — Reza Aslan writes among other things about the need for an Islamic Reformation. From his lips to God's ears…

]]> By: Harrison http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/07/god-knows-an-ied-in-iraq-shows-how-and-why-we-fight.html/comment-page-1#comment-997 Harrison Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:15:14 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1019#comment-997 Christians were more like Muslims before the Reformation. Christians were more like Muslims before the Reformation.

]]> By: megscole64 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/07/god-knows-an-ied-in-iraq-shows-how-and-why-we-fight.html/comment-page-1#comment-996 megscole64 Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:34:11 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1019#comment-996 OMG that is hideous and should serve as a poignant reminder of the enemy we face. They are EVIL. OMG that is hideous and should serve as a poignant reminder of the enemy we face. They are EVIL.

]]> By: kirkpete http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/07/god-knows-an-ied-in-iraq-shows-how-and-why-we-fight.html/comment-page-1#comment-995 kirkpete Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:47:53 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1019#comment-995 marie, you raise a serious point about life-saving information that may have been gained through waterboarding. But in the long run, I think we will be safer if enemy forces believe they will be treated humanely. Also, if you read the report of the Senate Armed Services Committee at <a href="http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/pdf/12112008_detaineeabuse.pdf," target="_blank">http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/pdf...</a> you'll get a sense of how a willingness to loosen the standards of humanitarian treatment rippled through the government bureaucracy and led to inappropriate conduct, including the abuses at Abu Ghraib. It's hard to have any sympathy for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed being waterboarded, but it's clear the practice extended well beyond him. I had not heard of Dave Gaubatz, the subject of the Melanie Phillips article you linked to, and I don't have any opinion about him. I found he has a blog at <a href="http://dgaubatz.blogspot.com/." target="_blank">http://dgaubatz.blogspot.com/.</a> marie, you raise a serious point about life-saving information that may have been gained through waterboarding. But in the long run, I think we will be safer if enemy forces believe they will be treated humanely.

Also, if you read the report of the Senate Armed Services Committee at http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/pdf… you'll get a sense of how a willingness to loosen the standards of humanitarian treatment rippled through the government bureaucracy and led to inappropriate conduct, including the abuses at Abu Ghraib. It's hard to have any sympathy for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed being waterboarded, but it's clear the practice extended well beyond him.

I had not heard of Dave Gaubatz, the subject of the Melanie Phillips article you linked to, and I don't have any opinion about him. I found he has a blog at http://dgaubatz.blogspot.com/.

]]> By: marie http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/07/god-knows-an-ied-in-iraq-shows-how-and-why-we-fight.html/comment-page-1#comment-992 marie Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:46:24 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1019#comment-992 Kirk-- Very interesting. But why should we be against waterborading? I read a while ago about how this technique, waterboarding, saved American lives via the information we got from using it? I mean, certainley we are still being much more humane than our enemy whom uses beheadings, does not wear a uniform, is global in nature, and hides behind woman and children in battle, etc.. And speaking of hunches and gut feelings.. for some reason your post above reminds me of this very interesting article I stumbled across a while ago online. However, it sounds like this guy was using something more like simple common sense rather than a gut feeling or hunch. Nonetheless, I think you may find this story to be very interesting <a href="http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=502" target="_blank">http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=50...</a> Kirk–
Very interesting. But why should we be against waterborading? I read a while ago about how this technique, waterboarding, saved American lives via the information we got from using it?
I mean, certainley we are still being much more humane than our enemy whom uses beheadings, does not wear a uniform, is global in nature, and hides behind woman and children in battle, etc..

And speaking of hunches and gut feelings.. for some reason your post above reminds me of this very interesting article I stumbled across a while ago online. However, it sounds like this guy was using something more like simple common sense rather than a gut feeling or hunch. Nonetheless, I think you may find this story to be very interesting http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=50…

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