Comments on: Lobbying for Marriage Equality in New Jersey http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/12/lobbying-for-marriage-equality-in-new-jersey.html ... for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing Wed, 01 Feb 2012 02:43:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Kirstie Padamadan http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/12/lobbying-for-marriage-equality-in-new-jersey.html/comment-page-1#comment-1948 Kirstie Padamadan Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:52:23 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1552#comment-1948 I was reading this article and find it very informative. I admired the writer’s effort as he beautifully selects the most appropriate words for his post. The choice of his words has made this article unique and interesting. While reading this article I was feeling that I can completely understand the theme of this article and writer has written exclusively for me or for my school of thought. I was reading this article and find it very informative. I admired the writer’s effort as he beautifully selects the most appropriate words for his post. The choice of his words has made this article unique and interesting. While reading this article I was feeling that I can completely understand the theme of this article and writer has written exclusively for me or for my school of thought.

]]> By: Today’s NJ Gay Marriage Vote Hurts Real People :All That Is Necessary… http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/12/lobbying-for-marriage-equality-in-new-jersey.html/comment-page-1#comment-1487 Today’s NJ Gay Marriage Vote Hurts Real People :All That Is Necessary… Fri, 08 Jan 2010 02:13:45 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1552#comment-1487 [...] Web Goddess and I voted for different candidates, but on this issue we are united, standing proudly to the left of our President.  We’re confident that our marriage will not [...] [...] Web Goddess and I voted for different candidates, but on this issue we are united, standing proudly to the left of our President.  We’re confident that our marriage will not [...]

]]> By: kirkpete http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/12/lobbying-for-marriage-equality-in-new-jersey.html/comment-page-1#comment-1312 kirkpete Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:01:52 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1552#comment-1312 Rob, you say "I can't fathom being a Christian and yet at the same time holding to a cherry-picking mentality of Scripture", and then you conclude that same sentence by describing an appropriate methodology for cherry-picking Scripture. I would argue that since allowing same-sex marriage would eliminate the need for civil-union and domestic-partner laws, the net effect would be LESS government regulation of marriage. In any event, wherever regulation of any kind exists, I believe it's appropriate for small-government conservatives to seek to modify the regulation, rather than limiting themselves to a hopeless absolutist position of seeking to eliminate regulation. Rob, you say "I can't fathom being a Christian and yet at the same time holding to a cherry-picking mentality of Scripture", and then you conclude that same sentence by describing an appropriate methodology for cherry-picking Scripture.

I would argue that since allowing same-sex marriage would eliminate the need for civil-union and domestic-partner laws, the net effect would be LESS government regulation of marriage. In any event, wherever regulation of any kind exists, I believe it's appropriate for small-government conservatives to seek to modify the regulation, rather than limiting themselves to a hopeless absolutist position of seeking to eliminate regulation.

]]> By: kirkpete http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/12/lobbying-for-marriage-equality-in-new-jersey.html/comment-page-1#comment-1310 kirkpete Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:48:17 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1552#comment-1310 dano, I've interpreted your last paragraph literally, and snipped the nyahhn nyahhh from your earlier post. BoBo, the overwhelming majority of gay people do not take hormones or undergo sex-change operations. dano, I've interpreted your last paragraph literally, and snipped the nyahhn nyahhh from your earlier post.

BoBo, the overwhelming majority of gay people do not take hormones or undergo sex-change operations.

]]> By: dano_in_ny http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/12/lobbying-for-marriage-equality-in-new-jersey.html/comment-page-1#comment-1309 dano_in_ny Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:55:04 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1552#comment-1309 Though you are well-read, the Episcopalian faith and the allied Lutheran Synods are presently in a struggle between the parishes that desire gay marriage among other issues and those that don't. So, I can unequivocally say that Christianity is not without uncertainty in regards to gay marriage, and that many parishes of different faiths support it. Read the many books of Bishop Spong of the Newark Archdiocese (retired). and the Bill Maher show. Elininate my nyahhh nyahhh comments. I was being playful but they look childish and obnoxious! sorry... Though you are well-read, the Episcopalian faith and the allied Lutheran Synods are presently in a struggle between the parishes that desire gay marriage among other issues and those that don't. So, I can unequivocally say that Christianity is not without uncertainty in regards to gay marriage, and that many parishes of different faiths support it. Read the many books of Bishop Spong of the Newark Archdiocese (retired). and the Bill Maher show.

Elininate my nyahhh nyahhh comments. I was being playful but they look childish and obnoxious! sorry…

]]> By: The BoBo http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/12/lobbying-for-marriage-equality-in-new-jersey.html/comment-page-1#comment-1305 The BoBo Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:10:12 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1552#comment-1305 LOL - I am THE authority on Christianity. All opinion ends with mine and mine alone. LOL. Just kidding. Here's the scoop in a nutshell - born and baptised catholic. raised non-denominational but a practicing Christian visiting whatever church was around depending on what city/country we were stationed in. Became an avid reader of all mythology - (Greek, Roman, Norse, Hindu, etc). Became a Hebrew linguist and learned to read, write, and speak it fluently as well as learning the culture and reading the Torah in Hebrew. At that point I became agnostic as I couldn't reconcile everything I had learned. Went back to college and studied physics - became an atheist for a while after that. Had a near death experience in which I had to be revived - and had to reconcile with what I saw. Became a believer again and rejoined the Catholic church. I've been all across the board and I have read the Christian Bible, the Torah in Hebrew, the Koran, and the Veda. I would say that I come from a very educated vantage point with this and with relative comparisons. I can say without uncertainty that Christianity does not condone gay marriage. I would also contend that homosexuality is a medical abnormality that can be treated. God did not make them born gay. There are obvious hormonal imbalances as evidenced by gender change operations. However, rather than give a female massive doses of testosterone to make her a him and give a male massive doses of progesterone and estrogen to make him a her - why not do just the opposite? Give the females more female hormones and the males more male hormones to bring them back in balance? LOL – I am THE authority on Christianity. All opinion ends with mine and mine alone. LOL. Just kidding. Here's the scoop in a nutshell – born and baptised catholic. raised non-denominational but a practicing Christian visiting whatever church was around depending on what city/country we were stationed in. Became an avid reader of all mythology – (Greek, Roman, Norse, Hindu, etc). Became a Hebrew linguist and learned to read, write, and speak it fluently as well as learning the culture and reading the Torah in Hebrew. At that point I became agnostic as I couldn't reconcile everything I had learned. Went back to college and studied physics – became an atheist for a while after that. Had a near death experience in which I had to be revived – and had to reconcile with what I saw. Became a believer again and rejoined the Catholic church. I've been all across the board and I have read the Christian Bible, the Torah in Hebrew, the Koran, and the Veda. I would say that I come from a very educated vantage point with this and with relative comparisons.

I can say without uncertainty that Christianity does not condone gay marriage. I would also contend that homosexuality is a medical abnormality that can be treated. God did not make them born gay. There are obvious hormonal imbalances as evidenced by gender change operations. However, rather than give a female massive doses of testosterone to make her a him and give a male massive doses of progesterone and estrogen to make him a her – why not do just the opposite? Give the females more female hormones and the males more male hormones to bring them back in balance?

]]> By: kirkpete http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/12/lobbying-for-marriage-equality-in-new-jersey.html/comment-page-1#comment-1301 kirkpete Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:40:06 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1552#comment-1301 dano, <a href="http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/06/iran-revolt-vindicates-neoconservative-ideals-and-the-iraq-war.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">as I've written before</a>, I'm a neocon. dano, as I've written before, I'm a neocon.

]]> By: dano_in_ny http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/12/lobbying-for-marriage-equality-in-new-jersey.html/comment-page-1#comment-1300 dano_in_ny Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:54:21 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1552#comment-1300 I meant to say that I was a Democrat only fairly recently, and that my prerferences were for the pres's above, not that they marched over veterans Kerry and Bush. I meant to say that I was a Democrat only fairly recently, and that my prerferences were for the pres's above, not that they marched over veterans Kerry and Bush.

]]> By: dano_in_ny http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/12/lobbying-for-marriage-equality-in-new-jersey.html/comment-page-1#comment-1298 dano_in_ny Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:52:35 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1552#comment-1298 Definitions of the time don't necessarily apply. They only HAD men and women. Psychotic people were DEFINED to be possessed of the devil, and we know a little better now. Lineage was thought to be transferred among the men only, they thought that the man's seed was only incubated by the woman. etc. etc. Read sometime the lineage of Christ's birth from David and see that it was only transferred through the men. Definitions of the time don't necessarily apply. They only HAD men and women. Psychotic people were DEFINED to be possessed of the devil, and we know a little better now. Lineage was thought to be transferred among the men only, they thought that the man's seed was only incubated by the woman. etc. etc. Read sometime the lineage of Christ's birth from David and see that it was only transferred through the men.

]]> By: dano_in_ny http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/2009/12/lobbying-for-marriage-equality-in-new-jersey.html/comment-page-1#comment-1299 dano_in_ny Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:52:16 +0000 http://blog.kirkpetersen.net/?p=1552#comment-1299 The Ecclesiastical rules were installed after the worship of the God Baal and the ultimatum to drink of the dissolved gold dust afterwards along with the creation of the Ark of the Covenant. The laws were meant to identify believers, defined at the time to be among only Jews of the tribe of Levi. They also meant to exclude hedonism by creating practices that were exclusive and perhaps sensible for the time, given the filth of cloven-hoof anmals for example. Christ's life was intended to extend those rights and belief to all, including for example Samaritans, as demonstrated by the famous parable. By the way, Christ wasn't married. If I were a "birther" or another sort of heretic, should I believe through this that Christ didn't support marriage at all? I don't think so. The Ecclesiastical rules were installed after the worship of the God Baal and the ultimatum to drink of the dissolved gold dust afterwards along with the creation of the Ark of the Covenant. The laws were meant to identify believers, defined at the time to be among only Jews of the tribe of Levi. They also meant to exclude hedonism by creating practices that were exclusive and perhaps sensible for the time, given the filth of cloven-hoof anmals for example.

Christ's life was intended to extend those rights and belief to all, including for example Samaritans, as demonstrated by the famous parable. By the way, Christ wasn't married. If I were a "birther" or another sort of heretic, should I believe through this that Christ didn't support marriage at all? I don't think so.

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