Comments on: Today’s NJ Gay Marriage Vote Hurts Real People

By: On Gay Marriage, NY vs. NJ, and the Maplewood Bubble | All That Is Necessary…

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 23:31:30 +0000

[...] On that basis alone, I voted for the Democratic incumbent. Since the New Jersey legislature was unable to pass a marriage equality law in the waning days of the Corzine administration, there is no realistic chance of same-sex marriage [...]

By: DADT: Some Days It’s Not Easy Being a Socially Liberal Republican | All That Is Necessary…

Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:56:31 +0000

[...] I generally vote Republican, but I’m quite liberal on social issues. For example, my support for same-sex marriage equality puts me to the left of Barack “marriage-is-between-a-man-and-a-woman” [...]

By: New Jersey Is “A Failed Experiment” | All That Is Necessary...

New Jersey Is “A Failed Experiment” | All That Is Necessary... — Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:35:32 +0000

[...] amendment banning same-sex marriage. Then the cause of same-sex marriage in New Jersey suffered a serious setback when the Senate refused to pass a bill in the waning days of the Corzine administration. That [...]

By: trlrtrash13

trlrtrash13 — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:29:23 +0000

"by all means enjoy yourself with fanciful imaginings about a hypothetical bestiality-rights movement."

Lol. Does that mean you have fanciful imaginings about gay sex, or was that just your way of saying you realize you're wrong, but prefer to remain that way, so you will attack me since my point is bullet proof?

By: trlrtrash13

trlrtrash13 — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:14:38 +0000

Nice try, David. But not true. If the straight twin loves his sister, mother, or some other immediate blood relative he cannot marry her. That is the point. This is the argument, and it is unbreakable because it is a fact. The law treats both sides as equals because it is an equal law. You may not like the law, and that is fine. But to call it "unequal" or discrimination is absolutely ridiculous.

By: Sharon

Sharon — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:31:23 +0000

Kirk,
Thanks for your post. It really is sad that in this day and age we still are so primitive in our ability to accept people – just People. Not, gay people, or straight people, or black people, just people. It was indeed a heart-felt post.

By: kirkpete

kirkpete — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:25:37 +0000

thanks, David.

trltrash13, by all means enjoy yourself with fanciful imaginings about a hypothetical bestiality-rights movement. I'm more concerned about the above-named real people in my life, none of whom asked to be born gay.

By: David W-H

David W-H — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:17:29 +0000

trltrash13, in your strawman arguement, two of the three examples contain members who cannot consent, which, as you state, we have laws to protect. No one is saying the law needs to be changed to allow marriage between non-consenting people.

Your first example contains another logical fallacy: you state that if you had a twin, you would be allowed to "marry the same people". That's not true. You, as the straight twin, can marry someone you love. Your twin cannot marry someone he loves.

By: trlrtrash13

trlrtrash13 — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:49:34 +0000

True, but based on that logic a suitable partner for a pedophile would be a child. For one who practices bestiality, it would be an animal. For a polygamist it would be multiple partners. Hence, we make laws to protect those who cannot consent and leave the rest to get in where they fit in. Nobody says one can't have multiple partners, we just say you can't marry all of them. Should we allow a brother and sister of consenting age to marry? How about mother and son? Most of us wish the best to gay couples, and I frankly could care less if they do marry. It is not right however, IMO, to call it inequality or discrimination, when all are treated equally under the law.

By: kirkpete

kirkpete — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:44:02 +0000

Thanks for commenting, trlrtrash13, but I think your legalistic argument ignores the fact that any successful marriage must involve suitable partners. For a gay man or lesbian, a person of the opposite sex is not a suitable choice for a lifetime partnership.